I was like, 'Oh! And theres nothing you could do that would ever satisfy her, he says. Im always surprised with Gary. It was fun to be able to say that kind of stuff, and then just kind of retract and find ways to come off of it. Despite becoming President, she is paying a price. But the arbitrary rule all but . Selina Meyer and her staff try to take on the White House in this HBO sitcom. This relationship is done.' As the bagman to the politician, Hales Gary Walsh is in her ear, primping her body and miming her every move always one heartbeat away from the woman he has long served. The First Labor Day. So for him to lay the lipstick on the casket? But I also sort of agree [with Eman]: With Labor Day, at some point you worry that theres no answer that would satisfy anybody, he says. Because I believe he wanted to know. TVLine is a part of Penske Media Corporation. And theres no coming back. Gary is constantly getting beat up, so anytime theres an opportunity for a blowup where he can actually express himself, Im in. Im a huge fan. But I kinda like the idea of finding out more, so well see what happens., ANALYZING THE ANSWERS/MANDEL RESPONDS: We read him a list of popular theories. I think then youre sort of in Bill OReilly territory. Im sad because I love my friends and when you spend eight years with people, you really become a family. And perhaps had she just made peace with Kemi [Toks Olagundoye] early on, a lot of this could have been avoided. I dont have all of it, but theres a key piece of information that I would love to get in at some point, he says. Tony said that he was actually glad that it happened, that Gary needed to be awakened from this destructive co-dependent relationship. They sent us something when we won the Emmy. But in a career of amoral political moves, and especially in a recent tornado of decisions that saw her cravenly crave a return to the Oval Office at all costsselling out her daughter Catherine (Sarah Sutherland) by outlawing same-sex marriage, selling out Tibet by secretly okaying a Chinese invasion, selling out America by choosing dangerous dolt Jonah (Timothy Simons) as her VPit definitively answered the question that was thematically draped over the season: How far will Selina go to get what she wants? Disturbing. But I do think being skilled is different than being a good person. How does he view her now? It was really like, 'All right, this is it.'". Gary Anton Walsh (born August 1978) is an American political aide who served as the special assistant and personal aide, commonly referred to as body man, to President Selina Meyer for two decades. Yes, maybe not specifically worrying about wheres Catherine and not specifically worrying about wheres Kent [Gary Cole], but all of that hits her. Im hoping that well get it in this year, but Im not sure we will. Exactly. The comedy of the episode, her hating of the vice presidency, her not wanting to give to people, to him, to Jonah, when he goes, No, I dont want it. And then says, Im going to run in the third party and f your shit up. Then everybody is screaming at him, and his line where he goes, Fine! Its so many things. American adaptation of The Thick of It and a Spiritual Successor to the American . Its very specific, and it aint Amy, and it was never going to be Amy. The international opinion on Trump is quite clear, so I think they are fascinated by [whats happening], and horrified, much like a lot of Americans. Oh my God, shes the worst! "People in life that do invest in wounding people, or pride, arrogance'more for me, it's never enough and it's all about me'they will reap isolation and pain and sadness," he notes. This shouldnt be.. That they murdered somebody just too easy, Mandel says. Copyright 2023 Meredith Corporation. I dont believe he could have stopped us from saying his name. But near the end of Sunday's series finale, it all came crashing down in the show's darkest moment. : r/Veep - Reddit; 2.Veep Post Mortem: Tony Hale Talks Gary and Selina's Epic - TVLine Even her saying the line, I couldnt have done it without you. Or me saying to her, Youre not going to have to. We all care about each other so much and there was a lot of emotion wrapped up in shooting that episode. But I also sort of agree [with Eman]: With Labor Day, at some point you worry that theres no answer that would satisfy anybody, he says. And that sat with me over the time of when Julia had cancer. Its just so much joy to be able to talk about all that stuff any time we get together. What resonates with you or haunts you from those few days of filming?I wouldnt say it was hard but those were such emotional days. At what price victory? "I felt in a sense like I had tight reins on myself, I was trying very hard not to let a certain kind of emotion flow out of me," she says. The three-day weekend it falls on is called Labor Day Weekend.. Beginning in the late 19th century, as the trade union and labor movements grew . Thats Washington D.C. for you District of C***s!, MANDEL RESPONDS: Theyre not wrong, he says. We talked a lot about a more standard ending, if you will, where Selina is right about to become president and then she was going to do some of the same things offer Jonah the Vice Presidency. He has no identity outside of Selina Meyer. I didnt say it was Tom Hanks specifically but I said I hope he digs it because theres a pretty cool nod to the pilot. They bring up that something happened to the point where Gary will never speak of it and it stops Selina's rage mid-sentence. I loved it, because it was obviously a salute to the show, but by the way, was also proving my point, Mandel says. But history cannot deny how many times she ran for the presidency and how badly she wanted it. And of course he would be like, Yes.. I think she did feel a tinge of remorse and then she immediately picks up the phone and gets into her facade and hides it away, stuffs all those feelings down and then turns it on again. She could be a fierce fighter for womens rights and equality. Sydney Grullon spoke more generally: I dont think shes inherently awful, I think deep down she thinks what shes doing is good, at least what she was doing while in office. Prakram Bhushan, meanwhile, was incredibly specific: Selina is a good lover. "You'd hate the flowers but I I brought the Dubonnet," he says to her flag-draped coffin, a cocktail of emotions flooding his weary voice. So, when she first mentioned Gary, theres just this subtle thing on her face thats just so wonderful. She really respects him, shes worked with him [on Seinfeld]. The whole team (reluctantly) returns to work for Jonahs campaign. And then the past four years before she died, he was out. I feel like the real road not taken for him wouldve been like a childrens dentist. I love it so much. ], Obviously, Kevin is just wonderful and devastating and so vulnerable and so caring. She has to be thinking, This is bad right now and this is a little bit bad for me, but I dont think she can be thinking about how horrific the rest of her life is going to be. Initially, when she says the name and he corrects her, we were on Andy Daly a little longer for his explanation. Some part of me almost wondered that had she asked him, he actually might have been willing to do it. Do you need me to fly back to New York and get a comb you left there? With Gary, the codependency and dysfunction and obsession with her is going so fast that he couldnt stop himself. In terms of looks, I will say that the idea of Dan really not aging is one of my all-time favorite ideas. So much for Labor Day loyalty. Teleplay by Kevin Cecil, Roger Drew & Andy Riley Story by Armando Iannucci Directed by Stephanie Laing "I think it's called 'The Man Who Shits Triangles.'" -- Ben. So it was just a genuine expression of having missed her, but also having been really glad that she showed up. So Im really deeply going to miss it, really bad. He has no clue what is about to happen as they celebrate her nomination. "She wasn't loving the idea of him being . He would rather be attacked and cussed at and abused than be distanced from her. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Please. But when hes at that funeral and maybe this a little, I dont want to say redemption for Andrew he did love her. I chose my job, and now Ive been given this opportunity. So I think the level of depravity that happened here, I wasnt necessarily surprised. The sidelining of the vice president, that it happened to Selina, is a great end for Jonah, and that he got some of the power he wanted, but had to learn what she learned, which is it wasnt much of anything. MANDEL RESPONDS: Its interesting. But let me tell you, when youre President of the United States, Gary Walsh is not the guy you want around you. Captured and kidnapped by some sort of terrorist act and put in a room with Sarin gas, like Peter Quinn. His personal pick for a crossover? Welcome to the Quantum Realm. The coming to terms with what youve done and what you did is somewhat horrific. So Im surprised in terms of her own survival that she did that. 1. Below, in a chat with THR, Hale digs into the shocking events of the series finale, reveals how he and Louis-Dreyfus went about filming the scene, and offers up a take that might just helpVeep viewers sleep at night when they think about Garys fate. Do you haveconfidence in new showrunner, [Curb Your Enthusiasm EP]David Mandel? But now thats its coming back a second time, its this realization of, its almost like, We tried. But what went through her head was, We had tried earlier in the day off the Muslim math thing. Julia Louis-Dreyfus as Selina Meyer. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: The majority got it right (K-lumsky). ): I think Jonah would be great on Homeland. Given that Mike never winds up giving that heartfelt eulogy for Selina, could you finish the job right now?I would personally eulogize her as the most wonderfully complicated character I ever got to write. I think there was something very funny to me that somehow you end up with him and Spiro Agnew in the same historical footnote. Durch Klicken auf Alle akzeptieren erklren Sie sich damit einverstanden, dass Yahoo und unsere Partner Ihre personenbezogenen Daten verarbeiten und Technologien wie Cookies nutzen, um personalisierte Anzeigen und Inhalte zu zeigen, zur Messung von Anzeigen und Inhalten, um mehr ber die Zielgruppe zu erfahren sowie fr die Entwicklung von Produkten. In the mornings before they come to get her, she will be up and dressed and waiting to get out of those family quarters and to get back to the Oval and business. He has no personal identity, so Selina becoming president is like getting the key and him becoming president. In spite of everything she did, you get the sense that if that coffin opened up and she said, Get me a tea, he kind of would. I think maybe what you were expecting is her almost being dismissive of Kent and ready to jump in. Thats the wrong guy. Him seeing her just standing there, looking at whats happening, I knew, shes in on this. Do you agree? The people she banned are now there. He knows all the secrets. She was such a coward that she didnt want to go to someone and say, I dont want to date you anymore. And she had me do it. This is, you know it's roadkill." Oscars Best Picture Winners Best Picture Winners Emmys STARmeter Awards San Diego Comic-Con New York Comic-Con Sundance Film Festival Toronto Int'l Film Festival Awards Central Festival Central All Events Walsh was one of Meyer's closest confidants, having worked for Meyer from the time she was a congresswoman to her fourth presidential campaign. In the primaries, Jonahs run mirrors Selinas initial run: he starts out popular, but ends up losing to DANNY CHUNG. Richard (Sam Richardson) became a two-term POTUS! It was actually Frank Rich, our executive producer, who then jumped to, What if its Tom Hanks? I had gone back and rewatched everything again, and so, the pilot was definitely fresh in my mind. Because if she doesnt go all in on that job, then it makes the decision to perhaps having had the abortion more wrong for her. Then we see Gary at the funeral 24 years later. What did Gary do for Selina on labor day that he referenced to in season 4? But I doubt were going to get it. It dawned that that would be the price, that thats the human sacrifice, and we worked backward from that. Selina Meyer and her staff try to take on the White House in this HBO sitcom. Chung asks Jonah to be his running mate, and he accepts. She couldnt even face Gary to do it, thats how much of a coward she was. When Kent is basically bellowing at Selina and kind of losing it a little bit, the camera finds Amy there. I think if you were a math person, Kent might actually take to you. "It was like you've got a 10,000-piece puzzle and it's that one last tiny piece and it fits in perfectly. I think even when shes nice, theres usually ulterior motives or things that will get her to throw it away in a second., And as for the assessment of Selinas sexual prowess: I think she would take a lot of pride in knowing that people think shes good in bed, he says. But it was nice to see Veeps international fanbase come out to play: Im European, and Europe has a wonderful history regarding our attitude towards Jews, wrote Viktor, whos from Croatia. And you showed no mercy with Amys abortion storyline. What is her legacy? Sort of a Biden to his Obama. An incompetent boss [like Mike] is the greatest thing in the world then you can do what you like. Not exactly that story, per se, but just the notion of Gary on his own,' he says. How long had you been sitting on that idea as the ending?There was always this idea of jumping ahead to the funeral. Hes got huge rose-colored glasses on. I mean, she doesn't dare go down that path of regret. TVLINE | I feel like the first three seasons have been building to thismoment. Its so incredibly gratifying. And the camera finds her contemplating it, like struck that its happening. The government shutdown episode. That it wasnt just like a movie, that we could license the clips, that it was going to land on his desk. Dan (Reid Scott) is selling real estate in Laguna Beach! So again, it wouldve been Jonahs fault that she didnt get what she wanted. Maybe, just maybe obviously with all the people from the measles, maybe people will start to go, Well, wait a second, if they were right about vaccines, maybe they were right about the climate.. It was just covered with a lot of dysfunction. Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from. In the beginning of the season, you told me that Gary viewed her as a forever queen. And always the president in his eyes. Hell hath no fury like a perpetually under-appreciated, eternally . Veep Showrunner David Mandel Responds to Fans Labor Day Theories. I dont know. It was very satisfying for him. By 1894, 23 more states had adopted the holiday, and on June 28, 1894 . Catherine does go kind of the full Claire Danes. MANDEL RESPONDS: It doesnt surprise me that people like Mother. I love Mother. I guess it surprises me that it was such a clear winner, just because its that typical sort of thing its hard to pick among your children, as they say. Except the desired outcome would be the opposite: wed be holding our breath to see if Jonah would escape danger but wed be super upset and disappointed each time he survived, MANDEL RESPONDS: Thatd be very funny, he says of having a Carrie-type crier. Thats what was so beautiful about the way Dave [Mandel] wrote and directed the episode. [It was] both a combination of starting to think, Well, weve seen a lot of variations of that before, and also this sense of: in America people were behaving very, very badly and not being punished. The Murder of Selena occured on March 31, 1995 after Selena was shot to death by Yolanda Saldivar (who was the president of her fan club) Selena's death received international attention and the public reaction to it was compared to those that followed the deaths of John Lennon, Elvis Presley and John F. Kennedy. And so, Julia e-mailed him, and then we got back this very quick auto-response, that was like, Im traveling. How did you react when you read the script? I mean, it wasnt a healthy relationship and he was certainly complicit in it in the sense of it takes two to tango. Yes, I do. Hell hath no fury like a perpetually under-appreciated, eternally abused and currently . Its completely void of any joy. They were switching over to the movie side, so the lights came up, and there was no one saying like, And now well go over here. They were taking a pause, and the pause allowed the laughter to keep rolling, and people kind of stared back at us. And youre right, he did look rough. When history looks back on Selina Meyer, Im not sure anyone will ever have anything great to say about her being vice president or either of the times she was president. And it's kind of also not fair." In one way, their bond can never be broken, and he will always have some measure of twisted devotion to her. Was the attitude in the writers room this season one of The cruelty, ignorance and hypocrisy in this world needs an equal and opposite force more than ever, or was it Its our last season, so lets adopt a scorched Earth policy, or maybe a bit of both?I go for a little bit of both, and Ill throw a third thing in. And yet, two-and-a-half decades later, Gary still showed up at Selina's funeral, looking haggard and war-torn. Regret is a part of it, but at the same time, though, I think almost more horror. At turns heartbreaking and hilarious, the showdown expertly acted by Emmy winners Julia Louis-Dreyfuss and Tony Hale dramatically altered the power dynamic between the two characters, while also setting up a doozy of a mystery: What did Selina do on that fateful Labor Day, and how exactly didGary cover (or clean) it up? So that's what brought him back to that funeral because everybody else could care less about her, but he had this kernel of authentic love for her. 2023 Oscars predictions: See who will win at the 95th Academy Awards. How are you feeling about the change? TVLINE | Burning question not specifically related to this episode: Whats in Garys bag? MANDEL RESPONDS: "I didn't know the . I think he could be a great boss if he somehow liked you, or thought you were like, his guy. Obviously hes got a hair-trigger temper, but I do think the sun can shine from Jonah, he says. As Sydney wrote, Mother. By a landslide. The truth is, shed done so many horrible things over the course of [the show], you had to dig deep to make it real. Gary and Selina were intimate. How does it feel to have Gary and Selinas relationship be the most powerful punch ofVeep? Thats perfect., Did you reach out to Tom Hanks for his death blessing? Given Garys history with Selina that breakup, the Labor Day event, the mysterious garbage bags and so much more was this new level of depravity totally unexpected? That could be enjoyable. I did what I was supposed to do. I will say, our character relationship and our friendship has genuinely been one of the biggest gifts of my career. Im not going to use the K word, which is Kellyanne [Conway]. That's it lol . PMC Entertainment. We sort of got a little freaked out by what that meant, and Julia was in the middle of trying to get through to his agent, or any of those kinds of things, when all of a sudden, the response came back, and he was delighted and gave a big thumbs up. It might be revealed down the road. It was fantastic. How did you keep those emotions in check? At the end of the day, just a small-time guy in a big office. For the greater good. 2023 The Hollywood Reporter, LLC. All season long and for much of the series Veep has been exploring the question: How far is ex-VP, former POTUS, and forever egotist Selina Meyer willing to go to become president? It was a sadistic death blow. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. And obviously, I understand why especially in the seven-episode structure, his rise was perhaps even more meteoric than it would have been in the ten-episode structure. Was Catherines cutting of ties with Selina the healthiest decision she made?Her realization that she was interested in members of the same sex and ultimately her happiness with Marjorie and the family they built I think theres a three-year story there of her becoming a more and better-fulfilled person. "Gary and Selina cohabit a dysfunctional not-quite-romance: brutal, abusive, pathetic and unbalanced, but, at the same time, almost in spite . Your legacy lives on in your children and that is a prime example, where her daughter is celebrating her demise and her death. It feel to have Gary and Selinas relationship be the most powerful punch ofVeep want. Kent and ready to jump in fits in perfectly, two-and-a-half decades later, Gary still what did gary do for selina on labor day.. 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